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Re: St John’s game2

Postby SeattleJay » Sun Feb 16, 2025 6:26 pm

Very frustrating loss

Still have a chance for a regular season title.

Hopefully, no after effects on Kalk’s foot
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Re: St John’s game2

Postby WBR Tom » Sun Feb 16, 2025 6:31 pm

WBR’s Matt DeMarinis talked to Kalk on his way to the bus. He’s sore but will be fine.

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Re: St John’s game2

Postby Venturajay » Sun Feb 16, 2025 6:42 pm

Missed the first half, from what I saw in the second half we got worked on the boards.

I still like are chances for a deep run. Go Jays!!!
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Re: St John’s game2

Postby Alphawalt » Sun Feb 16, 2025 7:17 pm

Chicagojayfan wrote:Positives for today - Kalk didn't have a season ending injury

Other positives - it was close even with the Refs giving every advantage to St. Johns. Plus we likely see them get a game called a bit more tight in the Tourney and see them lose w/ Pitino blowing a gasket on the sidelines

F-them, I wish nothing but losses for those pricks


Unfortunately, now that St. John’s is good again, they really have an unfair home court advantage in the BE tournament at MSG. Also, sports media everywhere is biased in their favor. I think subliminally refs are not making calls for fouls having bought into the narrative they have a great defensive team and thus must not be fouling even when their eyes should tell them there was a foul. This bias always seemed to help the other recent team with sustained good defense, bad shooting profile - San Diego State. Logic would seem to be you can’t go far in a tourney with such bad shooting from field and free throw line, UNLESS fouls are not called when they should.
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Re: St John’s game2

Postby #RollJays » Sun Feb 16, 2025 7:45 pm

Alphawalt wrote:
Chicagojayfan wrote:Positives for today - Kalk didn't have a season ending injury

Other positives - it was close even with the Refs giving every advantage to St. Johns. Plus we likely see them get a game called a bit more tight in the Tourney and see them lose w/ Pitino blowing a gasket on the sidelines

F-them, I wish nothing but losses for those pricks


Unfortunately, now that St. John’s is good again, they really have an unfair home court advantage in the BE tournament at MSG. Also, sports media everywhere is biased in their favor. I think subliminally refs are not making calls for fouls having bought into the narrative they have a great defensive team and thus must not be fouling even when their eyes should tell them there was a foul. This bias always seemed to help the other recent team with sustained good defense, bad shooting profile - San Diego State. Logic would seem to be you can’t go far in a tourney with such bad shooting from field and free throw line, UNLESS fouls are not called when they should.

Just crazy seeing Luis and Kadary slap each one of Kalk’s arms on his early dunk. Zuby clearly hits Kalk’s arm on his 3. Kadary fouls Fedor on his dunk. Pushes him in the back going for the block then runs underneath him. Neal fouled by Wilcher on an obvious and 1 layup. He had another 1 on the homerun ball layup where he gets undercut. Smith hits Ashworth on his pull up. Even Donnie begs for the foul. Then Ashworth gets his arm smacked on his last 3. All of these plays out in the open and are easy calls. None are made.
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Re: St John’s game2

Postby Django » Sun Feb 16, 2025 7:46 pm

Kalkbrenner is a nice player but I’m not a fan of him getting overhyped. Fanta and FS1 doing the whole Willis Reed comparison is just embarrassing. Willis Reed came out of the locker room and played after taking 400 milligrams of carbocaine and 8 cc’s of cortisone to mask the pain of a TORN RIGHT THIGH MUSCLE.
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Re: St John’s game2

Postby bird_call » Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:00 pm

That was a frustrating loss. Definitely winnable with a B+ game, but we were a B- with the problems on the glass, with turnovers, and with 3 point shooting. Defense was pretty good overall, other than ending possessions. Passing was also pretty good, other than the aforementioned TOs, especially when we kept trying to force feed the post.

Maybe we see them again at the conference tourney.
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Re: St John’s game2

Postby Chicagojayfan » Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:33 pm

Alphawalt wrote:
Chicagojayfan wrote:Positives for today - Kalk didn't have a season ending injury

Other positives - it was close even with the Refs giving every advantage to St. Johns. Plus we likely see them get a game called a bit more tight in the Tourney and see them lose w/ Pitino blowing a gasket on the sidelines

F-them, I wish nothing but losses for those pricks


Unfortunately, now that St. John’s is good again, they really have an unfair home court advantage in the BE tournament at MSG. Also, sports media everywhere is biased in their favor. I think subliminally refs are not making calls for fouls having bought into the narrative they have a great defensive team and thus must not be fouling even when their eyes should tell them there was a foul. This bias always seemed to help the other recent team with sustained good defense, bad shooting profile - San Diego State. Logic would seem to be you can’t go far in a tourney with such bad shooting from field and free throw line, UNLESS fouls are not called when they should.


We definitely aren't getting any breaks in the BE tourney, but even today we had a shot if we'd knocked down just a few more shots

Teams like that are playing something like Referee roulette as they can win against lesser teams in more tightly called game, but in the Tourney they see better and better teams and refs from other conferences, and the odds of them running into the wrong combo go up pretty quickly

Not sure how many teams beat a team like St. Johns or Tennessee when they get the kind of whistle they want
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Re: St John’s game2

Postby jaysfor3 » Sun Feb 16, 2025 9:39 pm

Chicagojayfan wrote:
Alphawalt wrote:
Chicagojayfan wrote:Positives for today - Kalk didn't have a season ending injury

Other positives - it was close even with the Refs giving every advantage to St. Johns. Plus we likely see them get a game called a bit more tight in the Tourney and see them lose w/ Pitino blowing a gasket on the sidelines

F-them, I wish nothing but losses for those pricks


Unfortunately, now that St. John’s is good again, they really have an unfair home court advantage in the BE tournament at MSG. Also, sports media everywhere is biased in their favor. I think subliminally refs are not making calls for fouls having bought into the narrative they have a great defensive team and thus must not be fouling even when their eyes should tell them there was a foul. This bias always seemed to help the other recent team with sustained good defense, bad shooting profile - San Diego State. Logic would seem to be you can’t go far in a tourney with such bad shooting from field and free throw line, UNLESS fouls are not called when they should.


We definitely aren't getting any breaks in the BE tourney, but even today we had a shot if we'd knocked down just a few more shots

Teams like that are playing something like Referee roulette as they can win against lesser teams in more tightly called game, but in the Tourney they see better and better teams and refs from other conferences, and the odds of them running into the wrong combo go up pretty quickly

Not sure how many teams beat a team like St. Johns or Tennessee when they get the kind of whistle they want


The Philadelphia Eagles play a similar style of ball and would match-up well in the type of officiated game as we witnessed today. :lol:
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Re: St John’s game2

Postby cu8493 » Sun Feb 16, 2025 10:53 pm

Did not get to watch the a game today, but two stats jump out at me:

outscored in second chance points 20-14
More astounding, outscored in points off turnovers 20-2. Yes, by 18 points.

St. John’s scored 76 points. Over half of those were second chance or points off turnovers. IMO, we cant blame missed foul calls on shooting when we gave up 40 points in 2nd chance points and points off turnovers. Cut those in half and we win going away. This team can only make a splash in March if the guys decide to value the ball (“Simple plays, fellas”, to quote a former coach), and dedicate themselves to getting every defensive rebound.
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