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Re: Baylor Scheierman

Postby vivid_dude » Mon May 02, 2022 2:39 pm

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Kalk, Trey, Art, and Nembhard are for SURE better than Baylor, even as younger players, they proved their worth in the BE, which is as least two notches higher than the Summit league. Baylor may be good coming in off the bench for instant offense, ala Remy Martin with Kansas last year. Remy was certainly a stater level player coming from PAC 12 ASU, and he embraced the role of coming in off the bench to Kansas’ benefit. I am not saying we should not try to sign Baylor if it is possible, I am just saying he is not as good as his hype, and yes, I have watched a number of his games from last year. I just don’t think he is an impact level player in the BE. Complementary yes, impact no.


This is giving me flashbacks to our MVC days when major conference team fans would say "Kyle Korver would be 3rd or 4th off the bench at Duke." or "Nate Funk couldn't make the rotation at a Power 5 school." Stop looking at the conference. Look at his game. Look at his tape. Look at how NBA scouts evaluate him. Look at how every blue blood contacted him when he entered the portal. Look at his G-league offer. I'll take that cumulative assessment of his play/potential a bit more seriously than your narrow-focused one.

I don't know why I'm defending him so much other than I detest the reasons for this opinion, so I have to. You're entitled to it, but the logic is flawed. Ryan Hawkins came from a worse school and conference (by quality of play) than Baylor and Hawk was arguably CU's Team MVP (others also have arguments, but Hawks' is as strong as anyone's) on a short-staffed squad that was a few possessions away from beating the eventual National Champion. Again, bad logic for the bad opinion, IMO.
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Re: Baylor Scheierman

Postby Alphawalt » Mon May 02, 2022 2:41 pm

bluejayfan00 wrote:I cannot believe someone is really on here arguing the point that Baylor isn’t an impact level player or a starter. Goodness


Well, the only thing I can say is I am confident in my opinion. I guess we shall see how it plays out. This is an opinion board last time I checked.
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Re: Baylor Scheierman

Postby SeattleJay » Mon May 02, 2022 2:44 pm

Alphawalt, you are entitled to your opinion. And, I’m glad that you think CU is that good already without BS.

I’ve only seen his Summit League statistics and the recruiting list which includes almost all of the blue bloods. So, I’m going with the various coaching staffs and thinking he is pretty special. I have high hopes we get more BS soon.
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Re: Baylor Scheierman

Postby Trifecta » Mon May 02, 2022 2:45 pm

Alphawalt wrote:We don’t need Baylor, he needs us. He would be the fifth or sixth best player on the team. He is having serious delusions thinking he can make the NBA. His Jackrabbit predecessor Mike Daum, the “dauminator”, averaged 10 ppg better than Baylor, and was a better rebounder, and a few inches taller, objectively MUCH better than Baylor. Daum did not get drafted and is playing Euro ball. Baylor would be a nice addition but he certainly is not someone I am personally salivating over, he is not “the missing piece”. We would do just fine without him.


Kalk, Trey, Art, and Nembhard are for SURE better than Baylor, even as younger players, they proved their worth in the BE, which is as least two notches higher than the Summit league. Baylor may be good coming in off the bench for instant offense, ala Remy Martin with Kansas last year. Remy was certainly a stater level player coming from PAC 12 ASU, and he embraced the role of coming in off the bench to Kansas’ benefit. I am not saying we should not try to sign Baylor if it is possible, I am just saying he is not as good as his hype, and yes, I have watched a number of his games from last year. I just don’t think he is an impact level player in the BE. Complementary yes, impact no.[/quote]

Was this said with a straight face? If Duke, KU, and Kentucky all thought he was an impact player I think that confirms my thoughts that he would be a huge get for us. I also love our current roster and think they are very talented, but those other programs have the same or better roster talent-wise than us every year and still were trying to bring this kid in.
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Re: Baylor Scheierman

Postby Alphawalt » Mon May 02, 2022 2:46 pm

vivid_dude wrote:
Alphawalt wrote:
Kalk, Trey, Art, and Nembhard are for SURE better than Baylor, even as younger players, they proved their worth in the BE, which is as least two notches higher than the Summit league. Baylor may be good coming in off the bench for instant offense, ala Remy Martin with Kansas last year. Remy was certainly a stater level player coming from PAC 12 ASU, and he embraced the role of coming in off the bench to Kansas’ benefit. I am not saying we should not try to sign Baylor if it is possible, I am just saying he is not as good as his hype, and yes, I have watched a number of his games from last year. I just don’t think he is an impact level player in the BE. Complementary yes, impact no.


This is giving me flashbacks to our MVC days when major conference team fans would say "Kyle Korver would be 3rd or 4th off the bench at Duke." or "Nate Funk couldn't make the rotation at a Power 5 school." Stop looking at the conference. Look at his game. Look at his tape. Look at how NBA scouts evaluate him. Look at how every blue blood contacted him when he entered the portal. Look at his G-league offer. I'll take that cumulative assessment of his play/potential a bit more seriously than your narrow-focused one.

I don't know why I'm defending him so much other than I detest the reasons for this opinion, so I have to. You're entitled to it, but the logic is flawed. Ryan Hawkins came from a worse school and conference (by quality of play) than Baylor and Hawk was arguably CU's Team MVP (others also have arguments, but Hawks' is as strong as anyone's) on a short-staffed squad that was a few possessions away from beating the eventual National Champion. Again, bad logic for the bad opinion, IMO.


I totally agree with you about Hawk, I felt all along he would be an impact player, just don’t have the same opinion about Baylor.
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Re: Baylor Scheierman

Postby Alphawalt » Mon May 02, 2022 2:53 pm

Trifecta wrote:
Alphawalt wrote:We don’t need Baylor, he needs us. He would be the fifth or sixth best player on the team. He is having serious delusions thinking he can make the NBA. His Jackrabbit predecessor Mike Daum, the “dauminator”, averaged 10 ppg better than Baylor, and was a better rebounder, and a few inches taller, objectively MUCH better than Baylor. Daum did not get drafted and is playing Euro ball. Baylor would be a nice addition but he certainly is not someone I am personally salivating over, he is not “the missing piece”. We would do just fine without him.


Kalk, Trey, Art, and Nembhard are for SURE better than Baylor, even as younger players, they proved their worth in the BE, which is as least two notches higher than the Summit league. Baylor may be good coming in off the bench for instant offense, ala Remy Martin with Kansas last year. Remy was certainly a stater level player coming from PAC 12 ASU, and he embraced the role of coming in off the bench to Kansas’ benefit. I am not saying we should not try to sign Baylor if it is possible, I am just saying he is not as good as his hype, and yes, I have watched a number of his games from last year. I just don’t think he is an impact level player in the BE. Complementary yes, impact no.


Was this said with a straight face? If Duke, KU, and Kentucky all thought he was an impact player I think that confirms my thoughts that he would be a huge get for us. I also love our current roster and think they are very talented, but those other programs have the same or better roster talent-wise than us every year and still were trying to bring this kid in.[/quote]

Seems to me Kentucky straight up told him they wanted him as a complimentary player, no more than that. Duke and Kansas probably the same, my assumption. Even blue bloods want complementary players off the bench, so why would you think I did not say that with a straight face. He can contribute, I never said he could not.
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Re: Baylor Scheierman

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Re: Baylor Scheierman

Postby bluejayfan2054 » Mon May 02, 2022 3:29 pm

https://twitter.com/BruceAhrensCBB/stat ... -3zRVs3gKA

So did something just happen today that changed Baylor's mind or do we prefer Kerwin?
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Re: Baylor Scheierman

Postby bluejayfan00 » Mon May 02, 2022 3:31 pm

That’s not a legit account
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Re: Baylor Scheierman

Postby WBR Tom » Mon May 02, 2022 3:31 pm

bluejayfan2054 wrote:https://twitter.com/BruceAhrensCBB/status/1521213748500914176?s=20&t=SoE_bQU37vAT-3zRVs3gKA

So did something just happen today that changed Baylor's mind or do we prefer Kerwin?


That account joined Twitter last month and has only 49 followers. Could be legit, but it smells like a fake / burner account to me. At a minimum, I wouldn't take it at face value...
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