2024-25 Season

[bird_call]

Rebounding stats from our PF's
Jackson 4.2 per game, 17.8 minutes, 9.4 per 40 minutes
Traudt, 3.4 per game, 16.5 minutes, 8.2 per 40 minutes
Green, 2.2 per game, 13.5 minutes, 6.5 per 40 minutes
Miller, 2.2 per game, 13.9 minutes, 6.3 per 40 minutes.
Our eyes can sometimes play tricks on us.

If you include the garbage games against Kenpom 250+, sure. Against the good teams, Those numbers are not representative.

McAndrew had 14 boards against SDSU in 33 minutes. He had zero against UNLV and Alabama. The other games were 2-5 rebounds and he's getting the most consistent minutes of these guys. Including SDSU, he's 8.5 rebounds/40 against good teams. Excluding it, he's 5.8 rebounds/40.

Against good and decent teams:
Traudt is 9.4/40. Green is 6.4/40. Miller is 4.3/40.

Just for reference, Ashworth is averaging 4.2 reb/40.

More than half of Miller's rebounds were against UTRGV and FDU.

[#RollJays]

Rebounding stats from our PF's
Jackson 4.2 per game, 17.8 minutes, 9.4 per 40 minutes
Traudt, 3.4 per game, 16.5 minutes, 8.2 per 40 minutes
Green, 2.2 per game, 13.5 minutes, 6.5 per 40 minutes
Miller, 2.2 per game, 13.9 minutes, 6.3 per 40 minutes.
Our eyes can sometimes play tricks on us.

If you include the garbage games against Kenpom 250+, sure. Against the good teams, Those numbers are not representative.

McAndrew had 14 boards against SDSU in 33 minutes. He had zero against UNLV and Alabama. The other games were 2-5 rebounds and he's getting the most consistent minutes of these guys. Including SDSU, he's 8.5 rebounds/40 against good teams. Excluding it, he's 5.8 rebounds/40.

Against good and decent teams:
Traudt is 9.4/40. Green is 6.4/40. Miller is 4.3/40.

Just for reference, Ashworth is averaging 4.2 reb/40.

More than half of Miller's rebounds were against UTRGV and FDU.

Miller is really just the outlier here.

Until Fedor is eligible, our rotation should be pretty close to this:

1 - Ashworth 36 mpg - Davis 4 mpg
2 - Neal 24 mpg - Davis 8 mpg - Shane Thomas 8 mpg
3 - Green 28 mpg - Neal 12 mpg
4 - Jackson 24 mpg - Traudt 16 mpg
5 - Kalk 36 mpg - King 4 mpg

Minute breakdown
Ash - 36 mpg
Neal - 36 mpg
Kalk - 36 mpg
Green - 28 mpg
McAndrew - 24 mpg
Traudt - 16 mpg
Davis - 12 mpg
Shane Thomas - 8 mpg
King - 4 mpg

[UncleBillyJ]

Rebounding stats from our PF's
Jackson 4.2 per game, 17.8 minutes, 9.4 per 40 minutes
Traudt, 3.4 per game, 16.5 minutes, 8.2 per 40 minutes
Green, 2.2 per game, 13.5 minutes, 6.5 per 40 minutes
Miller, 2.2 per game, 13.9 minutes, 6.3 per 40 minutes.
Our eyes can sometimes play tricks on us.

If you include the garbage games against Kenpom 250+, sure. Against the good teams, Those numbers are not representative.

McAndrew had 14 boards against SDSU in 33 minutes. He had zero against UNLV and Alabama. The other games were 2-5 rebounds and he's getting the most consistent minutes of these guys. Including SDSU, he's 8.5 rebounds/40 against good teams. Excluding it, he's 5.8 rebounds/40.

Against good and decent teams:
Traudt is 9.4/40. Green is 6.4/40. Miller is 4.3/40.

Just for reference, Ashworth is averaging 4.2 reb/40.

More than half of Miller's rebounds were against UTRGV and FDU.

Miller is really just the outlier here.

Until Fedor is eligible, our rotation should be pretty close to this:

1 - Ashworth 36 mpg - Davis 4 mpg
2 - Neal 24 mpg - Davis 8 mpg - Shane Thomas 8 mpg
3 - Green 28 mpg - Neal 12 mpg
4 - Jackson 24 mpg - Traudt 16 mpg
5 - Kalk 36 mpg - King 4 mpg

Minute breakdown
Ash - 36 mpg
Neal - 36 mpg
Kalk - 36 mpg
Green - 28 mpg
McAndrew - 24 mpg
Traudt - 16 mpg
Davis - 12 mpg
Shane Thomas - 8 mpg
King - 4 mpg

This is the way.

It's unfortunate, but Miller should not be on the court at any point. The only excuse would be if Green and Traudt's conditioning is that bad that they need a third guy out there, but at no point has Miller shown he should be that guy. Shooting 14% from 3, can't dribble and create, worst rebounder at the 4, cardio guy on defense. Hope he can hit the portal and go somewhere where he will get minutes so we can open up a scholarship for much needed guard and center depth next year.

[JayPak]

Is it crazy to say that maybe more minutes from Fred would’ve helped vs AL? He can run the floor and rebound, and dunk in traffic. He can’t defend, but the guys we had in the game were unable to defend and keep AL off the glass either.

[SeattleJay]

Is it crazy to say that maybe more minutes from Fred would’ve helped vs AL? He can run the floor and rebound, and dunk in traffic. He can’t defend, but the guys we had in the game were unable to defend and keep AL off the glass either.

Are you suggesting the twin towers or Fred instead of Kalk? I like the twin towers possible experiment but I am almost certain that it will never happen.

[SeattleJay]

Well, according to today’s AP poll, we have played 5 top 25 teams and are 2-3. Although, unfortunately that Purdue win doesn’t count.

A&M up to 12 I believe. KU 8. Of course, Bama is 6.

[bird_call]

Is it crazy to say that maybe more minutes from Fred would’ve helped vs AL? He can run the floor and rebound, and dunk in traffic. He can’t defend, but the guys we had in the game were unable to defend and keep AL off the glass either.

Are you suggesting the twin towers or Fred instead of Kalk? I like the twin towers possible experiment but I am almost certain that it will never happen.

Honestly, Coach Mac needs to start experimenting with Kalk at the 4, King at the 5, and McAndrew at the 3. The triple tower lineup.

Get your best guys playing time. Run some horns sets. Play some crazy zones to take advantage of all the bigs.

It isn't like Mason, Green, and Trout are providing ball-handling, distribution, or spacing. Might as well run some old-school high-low sets and have Kalk distributing out of the high post to King while McAndrew/Ashworth launch 3s when they collapse on the paint.

[jayrock222]

With our makeup I would like to see us play zone more. Surprised we like the 1-3-1 instead of 2-3. I know the worry is giving up offensive rebounds but it an issue when we play man as well.

One of my main concerns is only having Ashworth as a ball handler that plays a lot.

[drbluejay]

It's possible that Miller starts at the SF spot and playing 14 minutes while Green backs him up playing 26 minutes.
You don't always start your best 5 guys. This usually happens with starting centers playing less than 14 minutes but it could happen with Miller.

[Alphawalt]

It's possible that Miller starts at the SF spot and playing 14 minutes while Green backs him up playing 26 minutes.
You don't always start your best 5 guys. This usually happens with starting centers playing less than 14 minutes but it could happen with Miller.

You may have me beat how long you have been a Jays fan. I have watched almost every game since 1978, either in person, televised, or available on tape/internet, missed very few. I can say with confidence that Miller this year is the worst starting player the Jays have ever had, and yes, I am including the woeful Rick Johnson teams. He is having an epically bad year this year 14% from three and even less overall, 12.5 %. He can’t guard, pass or dribble. He has no business being on the court for significant minutes this year. Let him be a practice player, some walk ons have been better, sad but true.