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Re: 2025 Players Era Festival

Postby vivid_dude » Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:22 am

drbluejay wrote:Wrong, I've attended up to 2,000 youth sporting events and coached select youth sports for almost 20 years.
I've never heard of a team going undefeated and not winning the tournament.


I question the truthfulness of Sentence #1 when you follow it up with Sentence #2.

Because I've only attended dozens of youth sporting events and seen it happen multiple times. It's not that uncommon. Admittedly, more uncommon in tournaments with fewer teams, like this, but it still happens. Saw it a few weekends ago, in fact! A team went 2-0, hit the losers' bracket because of point differential tiebreaker, and then won the losers' bracket. Undefeated and fifth place!

Life isn't fair sometimes.

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Re: 2025 Players Era Festival

Postby JaysLifer » Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:09 pm

drbluejay wrote:
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drbluejay wrote:The new format is the dumbest ever. Let's say Oregon and Creighton both win their first 2 games. That would mean one of those teams would be playing for 3rd place. The same thing could happen with the other side of the bracket.


You must not follow youth sports. Pretty typical format.

Wrong, I've attended up to 2,000 youth sporting events and coached select youth sports for almost 20 years.
I've never heard of a team going undefeated and not winning the tournament.


Well dang. I hate it when I'm wrong. You'd better believe I'm now going to raise hell if my son's basketball team goes undefeated in its 3 tourney games this weekend and they aren't raising a trophy. Now that I think of it, I should probably go back to one of our baseball tournaments last year and demand some explanation for going undefeated and only winning the consolation bracket.

As far as the tiebreakers are concerned, scoring margin seems to be the most common first tiebreaker at the youth level. And by capping the differential at a max of 20 per game, you aren't necessarily incentivizing an full force blowout. I haven't paid a ton of attention from tourney to tourney beyond that, but I think the next tiebreaker is usually points allowed, which I think I'd prefer to see. But in the end, I'd be willing to bet that the points-scored tiebreaker won't come into play for this tournament after the teams are sorted based on differential.
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Re: 2025 Players Era Festival

Postby Django » Thu Oct 24, 2024 7:52 pm

Shatel’s column had a great quote my Merf re Mac and the changes that are leading other top coaches to quit:

“Change is happening,” Merfeld said. “Mac’s approach is that he’s all-in. He enjoys coaching young men and he understands that to continue doing it, you have to be all-in. That’s the choice that he’s made.”

I love our coach more and more every year. We are so lucky to have Mac.
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Re: 2025 Players Era Festival

Postby drbluejay » Fri Oct 25, 2024 7:10 am

It appears that Tournament formats have changed a lot since I was involved with coaching but I still attend most of my grandkids games and tournaments. When I coached in tournaments, we didn't even have pool play before seeding the teams.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone by hating this format.
I wish we were playing in Atlantis instead of Vegas.
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Re: 2025 Players Era Festival

Postby JaysLifer » Fri Oct 25, 2024 10:21 am

drbluejay wrote:It appears that Tournament formats have changed a lot since I was involved with coaching but I still attend most of my grandkids games and tournaments. When I coached in tournaments, we didn't even have pool play before seeding the teams.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone by hating this format.
I wish we were playing in Atlantis instead of Vegas.


I can't speak for everyone, but your "hating [of] this format" wasn't the tipping point. It was the certitude with which you asserted that the rest of us were "wrong," when it was evident that you don't really know what you're talking about. Hate the format all you want, but maybe try having some self-awareness and acknowledge that things might have changed since you coached 20-30 years ago.
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Re: 2025 Players Era Festival

Postby Django » Fri Oct 25, 2024 3:12 pm

drbluejay wrote:It appears that Tournament formats have changed a lot since I was involved with coaching but I still attend most of my grandkids games and tournaments. When I coached in tournaments, we didn't even have pool play before seeding the teams.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone by hating this format.
I wish we were playing in Atlantis instead of Vegas.


Here’s more of Shatels story on NIL and the Vegas tournament. I was very inspired by our coaches and school and will definitely be donating to the Bird Club. We all should give whatever we can. It’s ridiculously easy.

Long Live The Bluejays!!!!


In or out. At Creighton, Greg McDermott is in….has been a step ahead of his competitors.
That was the case again this offseason when Mac pulled off a brilliant move to get in the Players Era Festival Nov. 26-30 in Las Vegas.
The PEF, funded by private equities, is a game-changer for college basketball. It has pledged to give $1 million to the collectives of each of the eight participating teams. That’s $1 million that those schools don’t have to ask from boosters who are suffering from donor fatigue.
Mac is in the trenches of NIL fundraising. That’s rare. Most coaches don’t fundraise for NIL — not to the degree McDermott does. But Creighton’s “Bird Club” collective needs Mac’s full effort.
“Besides being a basketball coach, I’m a full-time fundraiser,” McDermott said. “That’s the only way we’re going to survive — until it comes in-house.
“As of right now, until you have a full-time staff running a collective office, it’s going to fall on myself and others to raise the money.”
So last spring when McDermott saw that the Players Era tourney had one spot still open, he told Merfeld to look into getting Creighton in that tourney.
The problem: CU was already in the highly-coveted “Battle 4 Atlantis” tournament over Thanksgiving. The field included Arizona, Davidson, Gonzaga, Indiana, Louisville, Oklahoma, and West Virginia (Providence replaced Creighton).
It’s hard enough to get into the Atlantis tournament. But when the Players Era tourney invited Creighton, Mac and the Jays jumped.
“It took some doing,” Merfeld said. “The first conversation we had was thanks for the call but we’re fairly down the road with some other schools in filling the last spot.
“Within 24-48 hours, they called back and recognized the kind of support we had, and said we were the best choice for them, because of what Mac’s been able to do the last four or five years, having us in the top 20 and Sweet 16.”
How hard was the conversation with the Atlantis organizers?
“That was not comfortable for Mac or I,” Merfeld said. “Obviously they were not very happy with us.”
The move turned heads in the college basketball community. But once coaches and administrators saw it was for NIL, they understood. And many started calling the Players Era to get in line for next year.
“I felt bad because we made a commitment to the Bahamas,” McDermott said. “But I also can’t look my boosters in the face when I’m asking them to part with their money to support our program when I have an opportunity to get a million and say no.
“We reached out to them. They didn’t reach out to us. But we see teams drop from Maui next year to go to this tournament in Vegas. I think there will be considerably more teams. And we’ll go back.”
Merfeld said Creighton had to pay to get out of the Atlantis event. He wouldn’t disclose how much but said, “it wasn’t $1 million.”
“It was going to cost us a couple hundred thousand to go to the Bahamas,” McDermott said. “Now they (Players Era) are paying all our expenses and giving us some NIL money.
“Would I rather do some other things than spending six nights in Vegas? Probably. But the competition is going to be great and the people running it are great. It’s going to be a first-class event.”
It may not have been something McDermott imagined he would have done three years ago. But the game changes every week. It’s already different from last week.
“Change is happening,” Merfeld said. Mac’s approach is that he’s all-in. He enjoys coaching young men and he understands that to continue doing it, you have to be all-in. That’s the choice that he’s made.”
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Re: 2025 Players Era Festival

Postby gtmoBlue » Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:22 am

It (the move from the B4A to the PEF) was Brilliant, swift, & stunning! The Jays saw the opportunity & did an excellent ’carpe diem’ move - taking full advantage of it. Hats off & salute to Creighton! Brilliant!
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Re: 2025 Players Era Festival

Postby RVB » Wed Nov 20, 2024 11:43 am

Players Era Festival adjusts format, adds Championship Day on Nov. 30

https://gocreighton.com/news/2024/10/22 ... MxNDYyOAS2
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Re: 2025 Players Era Festival

Postby Jaybird » Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:01 pm

RVB wrote:Players Era Festival adjusts format, adds Championship Day on Nov. 30

https://gocreighton.com/news/2024/10/22 ... MxNDYyOAS2


Hasn't this been known for some time now? How is this news, unless they've come up with still another twist?

And why is it so hard for these people to set up a damn tournament? That trail has been blazed for about a century. it's like they're determined to invent a new way to make toast.
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Re: 2025 Players Era Festival

Postby #RollJays » Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:31 pm

Jaybird wrote:
RVB wrote:Players Era Festival adjusts format, adds Championship Day on Nov. 30

https://gocreighton.com/news/2024/10/22 ... MxNDYyOAS2


Hasn't this been known for some time now? How is this news, unless they've come up with still another twist?

And why is it so hard for these people to set up a damn tournament? That trail has been blazed for about a century. it's like they're determined to invent a new way to make toast.

Potential to play Bama twice is kinda weird.
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