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Re: 2023 transfer portal

Postby Taco Bell » Sat Apr 08, 2023 8:26 pm

JacobPadilla wrote:
hilltopalum wrote:Jacob based on what you’ve seen from the guys Creighton has been linked with what is your pecking order?


Haven't dug in enough to feel too strongly at this point. I typically don't like wasting my time on guys who aren't going to end up in a CU jersey.

Sam Vecenie's list at The Athletic has Tylor Perry ranked second overall among all players currently in the portal (one spot ahead of Nembhard). He's much more of a scoring guard than he is a true point, but I think if you have Trey back he gives you the flexibility to take the best guard you can get whether he's a 1 or a 2 and you can feel good about it. Creighton was at its most unguardable during the brief stints when Nembhard was knocking down pull-up jumpers (including 3s), and that's what Perry does in addition to operating well out of ball screens. He puts you right back in the quandary of having a small guard for teams to target on defense, but it sounds like Perry is pretty solid on that end.

Steven Ashworth is 7th on Vecenie's list. He's interesting in that he's a better passer than Perry, but Perry's better creating off the bounce. I think he'd also pair well with Trey if the latter continues to expand his off-the-dribble game and ability to put pressure on the rim. Ashworth is a really good pick-and-roll player but is also an elite off-ball scorer with his shooting ability and constant movement. He's not that much bigger than Nembhard, and while he seems to be fairly smart, I'm not sure what kind of defender he is from a physical standpoint.

Taran Armstrong is 44th in Vecenie's rankings, and he thinks it's a little wild that other places have him as a top-5/10 transfer. The shooting and defensive concerns are very real. That being said, he really likes the fit if Armstrong were to pick Creighton. Gives you more size across the board, though I don't know that I love Armstrong and Baylor as your wings on defense if Trey has to guard point guards. He's such a good passer and smart player that he'd thrive in Creighton's offense with the weapons around him, but again, the shooting concerns put a bit of a ceiling on the offense like we saw with Nembhard during his cold stretches.

Javian McCollum is 58th in Vecenie's rankings. Electric with the ball in his hands, great in ball screens, can get to the foul line and shoot off the bounce. But he dealt with some injury issues that limited his effectiveness for part of the season. Sam's biggest area of concern is that he's just 155 pounds, and it's difficult to be effective and efficient consistently on both ends at the high-major level when you're so slight.

FWIW, Trelly Wrightsell is 49th in Sam's rankings.

Andrew Rohde is No. 32 in his rankings, though it seems like the Creighton interest was pre-Nembhard defection and they could be looking at him for a different role, either as a replacement in the event that they lose Trey or Baylor or perhaps as a sixth man to provide the offensive punch they were missing off the bench last year.



Appreciate your insight man, you are such an awesome resource to have here. Do you have any read on any of these guys coming here at all?
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Re: 2023 transfer portal

Postby JacobPadilla » Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:06 pm

Taco Bell wrote:Appreciate your insight man, you are such an awesome resource to have here. Do you have any read on any of these guys coming here at all?


Not at this point, beyond Armstrong, McCollum and Perry including including CU on their lists. Just need to keep paying attention to list cut-downs and potential visits to gauge the mutual interest here. I'd anticipate things heating up here now that everyone knows Creighton has a starting backcourt spot to offer.
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Re: 2023 transfer portal

Postby SonofFrankTomera » Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:22 pm

JacobPadilla wrote:
Taco Bell wrote:Appreciate your insight man, you are such an awesome resource to have here. Do you have any read on any of these guys coming here at all?


Not at this point, beyond Armstrong, McCollum and Perry including including CU on their lists. Just need to keep paying attention to list cut-downs and potential visits to gauge the mutual interest here. I'd anticipate things heating up here now that everyone knows Creighton has a starting backcourt spot to offer.


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Re: 2023 transfer portal

Postby Taco Bell » Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:38 pm

JacobPadilla wrote:
Taco Bell wrote:Appreciate your insight man, you are such an awesome resource to have here. Do you have any read on any of these guys coming here at all?


Not at this point, beyond Armstrong, McCollum and Perry including including CU on their lists. Just need to keep paying attention to list cut-downs and potential visits to gauge the mutual interest here. I'd anticipate things heating up here now that everyone knows Creighton has a starting backcourt spot to offer.


You're the man, thanks for answering. How would you rank them on the basis of being the best fit for what we need?
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Re: 2023 transfer portal

Postby NUgradCUfan » Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:00 pm

JacobPadilla wrote:
Taco Bell wrote:Appreciate your insight man, you are such an awesome resource to have here. Do you have any read on any of these guys coming here at all?


Not at this point, beyond Armstrong, McCollum and Perry including including CU on their lists. Just need to keep paying attention to list cut-downs and potential visits to gauge the mutual interest here. I'd anticipate things heating up here now that everyone knows Creighton has a starting backcourt spot to offer.

Thanks for your insight, Jacob. I personally would prefer a PG that’s a proven threat from 3 in Perry or Ashworth and figuring out the D later. Not saying I wouldn’t be bummed if we snagged Armstrong, especially with his size, but struggling from 3 on stop of defensively is a less than ideal combo.
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Re: 2023 transfer portal

Postby Chicagojayfan » Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:02 pm

JacobPadilla wrote:
hilltopalum wrote:Jacob based on what you’ve seen from the guys Creighton has been linked with what is your pecking order?


Haven't dug in enough to feel too strongly at this point. I typically don't like wasting my time on guys who aren't going to end up in a CU jersey.

Sam Vecenie's list at The Athletic has Tylor Perry ranked second overall among all players currently in the portal (one spot ahead of Nembhard). He's much more of a scoring guard than he is a true point, but I think if you have Trey back he gives you the flexibility to take the best guard you can get whether he's a 1 or a 2 and you can feel good about it. Creighton was at its most unguardable during the brief stints when Nembhard was knocking down pull-up jumpers (including 3s), and that's what Perry does in addition to operating well out of ball screens. He puts you right back in the quandary of having a small guard for teams to target on defense, but it sounds like Perry is pretty solid on that end.

Steven Ashworth is 7th on Vecenie's list. He's interesting in that he's a better passer than Perry, but Perry's better creating off the bounce. I think he'd also pair well with Trey if the latter continues to expand his off-the-dribble game and ability to put pressure on the rim. Ashworth is a really good pick-and-roll player but is also an elite off-ball scorer with his shooting ability and constant movement. He's not that much bigger than Nembhard, and while he seems to be fairly smart, I'm not sure what kind of defender he is from a physical standpoint.

Taran Armstrong is 44th in Vecenie's rankings, and he thinks it's a little wild that other places have him as a top-5/10 transfer. The shooting and defensive concerns are very real. That being said, he really likes the fit if Armstrong were to pick Creighton. Gives you more size across the board, though I don't know that I love Armstrong and Baylor as your wings on defense if Trey has to guard point guards. He's such a good passer and smart player that he'd thrive in Creighton's offense with the weapons around him, but again, the shooting concerns put a bit of a ceiling on the offense like we saw with Nembhard during his cold stretches.

Javian McCollum is 58th in Vecenie's rankings. Electric with the ball in his hands, great in ball screens, can get to the foul line and shoot off the bounce. But he dealt with some injury issues that limited his effectiveness for part of the season. Sam's biggest area of concern is that he's just 155 pounds, and it's difficult to be effective and efficient consistently on both ends at the high-major level when you're so slight.

FWIW, Trelly Wrightsell is 49th in Sam's rankings.

Andrew Rohde is No. 32 in his rankings, though it seems like the Creighton interest was pre-Nembhard defection and they could be looking at him for a different role, either as a replacement in the event that they lose Trey or Baylor or perhaps as a sixth man to provide the offensive punch they were missing off the bench last year.



Great breakdown, Jacob, thank you.

I love the idea of a PG like Armstrong, but he's probably a higher risk (albeit with higher ceiling) guy for us next year. While it's a defensive liability to have 2 6-1 guys in the backcourt, it may also be tougher to guard those small quick guys if you have two 6-5/6-6 guys there. And the shooting

All look great though - I'm trusting in Mac to get someone great for us!

And love Rohde's game. He was really pretty incredible last year for a true frosh and will only get better
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Re: 2023 transfer portal

Postby LJay » Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:17 am

Ridiculous.

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Re: 2023 transfer portal

Postby #RollJays » Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:22 am

I think the portal will calm down a bit and we will return to a bigger emphasis on high school recruiting once the extra covid years are done. Going to be a crazy couple years though.
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Re: 2023 transfer portal

Postby section221jay » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:06 am

I think the portal will always be a shitshow as long as the no-sit policy remains in place. Not sure if there's anything the NCAA can do but if they can they need to reinstitute 1 year sit policy.
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Re: 2023 transfer portal

Postby Realhoops » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:18 am

Yeah, the no-sit part is really the biggest factor right now. Guys can go somewhere, get a year experience, and then transfer without sitting to play immediately for the highest bidder. Can debate whether that's right or wrong, but that's not changing anytime soon.

What's going to be interesting is seeing how coaches adapt to the fact that the SECOND transfer now is generally going to require sitting. If you go out and get guys who transfer after their first or second year, you have a much higher likelihood of holding onto them for the remainder of their eligibility, at least in theory. So your high school recruits could be gone in a year, transfers maybe not so much.
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