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Re: Future Schedules

Postby section202jay » Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:42 pm

It's not the thing holding us back, obviously. But having a good RPI helps. Part of having a good RPI is not just beating good teams, but avoiding those that weigh you down (Longwood).
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Re: Future Schedules

Postby mredle » Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:08 pm

There is another aspect of scheduling that I believe was mentioned by Vivid but then glossed over. That's team development. Last years team kept losing close games, finished at the bottom of the conference and despite beating Oklahoma, didn't really leave much in the area of reasons for confidence. We had better players overall at the 1 and 4 but we were actually slightly smaller at each of those positions. Four of our players hadn't played an actual game in a year. Last year's schedule gave opportunities for players like Geoff, Khyri and Zach to get some confidence. It gave Geoff, Mo, Khyri, and Cole a chance to get used to playing with James and IZ. Mac did this before with Doug's teams, particularly when it became apparent that talent was there and as a mid-major each year improved in quality of opponents each of those last 3 years. Scheduling can help good teams get better - and not just in their record.
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Re: Future Schedules

Postby Dundee Hipster » Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:27 pm

I am looking forward to playing Longwood. Plenty of opportunity for great in-game puns.
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Re: Future Schedules

Postby 1620Jay » Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:53 pm

TrueBlueJay wrote:Creighton being smart about which "bad" team they schedule is not going to make or break them for the NCAA...it just isn't. The committee looks well beyond the RPI. 300, 250 or 200 makes zero difference. Winning games that mean something matter, and not losing games to bad teams matters.

If you choose to think that playing a 200 team over a 300 team makes a difference, please continue your hand wringing.

Disagree with the above. Obviously a lot goes into scheduling but if you can avoid a potential 300 RPI game..you should. And yes, the difference between scheduling a RPI team around 170 compared to 320 may be the difference between getting an at large bid to not getting one. Michigan for example scheduled Elon who had an RPI of 160 this year. Mich won the game and ended up with an RPI of 56 and SOS of 45. Had they of scheduled Longwood this year instead of Elon it would have dropped their RPI to 65 and SOS to 57. Highly doubtful they get in with those numbers.
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Re: Future Schedules

Postby vivid_dude » Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:07 pm

1620Jay wrote:
TrueBlueJay wrote:Creighton being smart about which "bad" team they schedule is not going to make or break them for the NCAA...it just isn't. The committee looks well beyond the RPI. 300, 250 or 200 makes zero difference. Winning games that mean something matter, and not losing games to bad teams matters.

If you choose to think that playing a 200 team over a 300 team makes a difference, please continue your hand wringing.

Disagree with the above. Obviously a lot goes into scheduling but if you can avoid a potential 300 RPI game..you should. And yes, the difference between scheduling a RPI team around 170 compared to 320 may be the difference between getting an at large bid to not getting one. Michigan for example scheduled Elon who had an RPI of 160 this year. Mich won the game and ended up with an RPI of 56 and SOS of 45. Had they of scheduled Longwood this year instead of Elon it would have dropped their RPI to 65 and SOS to 57. Highly doubtful they get in with those numbers.


How did you calculate the new RPI and SOS in replacing Elon with Longwood? Is there a site that does that?
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Re: Future Schedules

Postby 1620Jay » Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:48 pm

rpiforecast.com. They have a section called RPI Wizard where you can add/change games to a teams schedule. Also added in S Carolina St(RPI 203) instead of Elon to Mich and it didn't move the needle much. Longwood certainly did.
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Re: Future Schedules

Postby jayball » Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:41 pm

1620Jay wrote:
TrueBlueJay wrote:Creighton being smart about which "bad" team they schedule is not going to make or break them for the NCAA...it just isn't. The committee looks well beyond the RPI. 300, 250 or 200 makes zero difference. Winning games that mean something matter, and not losing games to bad teams matters.

If you choose to think that playing a 200 team over a 300 team makes a difference, please continue your hand wringing.

Disagree with the above. Obviously a lot goes into scheduling but if you can avoid a potential 300 RPI game..you should. And yes, the difference between scheduling a RPI team around 170 compared to 320 may be the difference between getting an at large bid to not getting one. Michigan for example scheduled Elon who had an RPI of 160 this year. Mich won the game and ended up with an RPI of 56 and SOS of 45. Had they of scheduled Longwood this year instead of Elon it would have dropped their RPI to 65 and SOS to 57. Highly doubtful they get in with those numbers.



Michigan also played
Delaware St. (345.0)
Northern Kentucky (296.0)
Houston Baptist (224.0)
Youngstown St. (275.0)
Bryant (320.0)
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Re: Future Schedules

Postby AttyAlum » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:43 am

jayball wrote:
1620Jay wrote:
TrueBlueJay wrote:Creighton being smart about which "bad" team they schedule is not going to make or break them for the NCAA...it just isn't. The committee looks well beyond the RPI. 300, 250 or 200 makes zero difference. Winning games that mean something matter, and not losing games to bad teams matters.

If you choose to think that playing a 200 team over a 300 team makes a difference, please continue your hand wringing.

Disagree with the above. Obviously a lot goes into scheduling but if you can avoid a potential 300 RPI game..you should. And yes, the difference between scheduling a RPI team around 170 compared to 320 may be the difference between getting an at large bid to not getting one. Michigan for example scheduled Elon who had an RPI of 160 this year. Mich won the game and ended up with an RPI of 56 and SOS of 45. Had they of scheduled Longwood this year instead of Elon it would have dropped their RPI to 65 and SOS to 57. Highly doubtful they get in with those numbers.



Michigan also played
Delaware St. (345.0)
Northern Kentucky (296.0)
Houston Baptist (224.0)
Youngstown St. (275.0)
Bryant (320.0)



Yup, as usual 1620 has no idea what he's talking about. Listening to a Husker fan opine on what it takes it get into the NCAA tourney is like listening to a speech from Bo Pelini on anger management.
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Re: Future Schedules

Postby 1620Jay » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:12 am

Yep. Those games definitely didn't help. Had they of been able to eliminate the Deleware St game and say add a team like Norfolk St(225 RPI)instead that changes their RPI to 51 and SOS to 36. Looks quite a bit better than RPI 56 and SOS 45 wouldn't you say?
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Re: Future Schedules

Postby 1620Jay » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:19 am

No need to get upset on this beautiful morning Atty. I know it's difficult for you to accept that I also root for the Skers. I fail to see how that has anything to do with me also being just a college basketball fan. But I'll continue to deal with facts and you can live in fantasy land..if you can avoid a 300+ RPI game you should do so. That may be easier said than done but it clearly has an impact on the RPI and SOS numbers.
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