2022 Transfer Thread

[REALITY]

IMO, the NBA's problem is actually the opposite. There isn't a hard salary cap and players can only be paid the "max deal" as opposed to vying for the biggest contracts they can get (imagine what salaries KD or LeBron would command if there was no "max"). With high-end players' salaries being equal, they're incentivized to win championships and/or go to places they want to be (compare where NFL vs NBA free agents go)... to the point where super teams are the end result and parity decreases -- although to be fair, one can't leave out the fact that best of 7 playoff series mean that the best team is highly likely to win, much more so than single elimination ala the NCAA Tournament or NFL playoffs.

[jln]

Somehow there were few ethical concerns that the top college basketball coaches in America make upwards of 2M and up to 10M per year while the athletes were unpaid.

Why does a star college athlete getting paid 8x median income bother guys so much more than a college coach getting paid 50x median income while his players are unpaid?

I think your ethical outrage is misplaced.

First of all... "ethical outrage"???? You are definitely one for drama aren't you.

Not sure if above is directed at me. If so...

Taken from an article that I will supply the link to. But below is the essence of it...

"As the TV ratings suggest, the NBA has a problem. Many of the league's issues- players pushing around franchises, the colossal amounts of guaranteed money, and the lack of importance of regular-season games- all came to light under League Commissioner Adam Silver’s watch. Nonetheless, all of the problems just mentioned contribute to the biggest issue of all for the league, which is its lack of competitive teams.'

"To begin to look at the issues the league currently faces, let’s look back on the years the league was extremely successful. The league flourished for the majority of commissioner David Stern’s tenure. Michael Jordan headlined Stern’s time at the helm with the greatest basketball career we have ever seen. His Airness battled heated rivals in the East- The Bad Boy Detroit Pistons and the New York Knicks pushed Jordan to his limits and increased the league’s worldwide influence. “The Last Dance” documentary that aired during the middle of the Covid-19 pandemic, showcased this in spectacular fashion and reminded NBA fans of what they have been missing since Jordan’s era."

"Stern also was not afraid to interject in league transactions. While controversial, Stern blocked the proposed deal between the Los Angeles Lakers, Houston Rockets, and New Orleans Hornets which would ultimately send All-Star PG Chris Paul to the Lakers in the winter of 2011. Sterns' idea of keeping a competitive balance in the league was essential to keeping the NBA competitive."

"I have never been one to be anti-money or anti-players getting paid for that matter. In fact, I am pro-player, and salute any guy who secures a bag that solidifies his future as well as his family’s. However, the NBA has gotten to a point where the amount of money that is being guaranteed around the league has negatively impacted the way players, teams and the league operates."

There is way more excellent insight into why the NBA is struggling. So here is a link to it if you are interested...

https://medium.com/basketball-universit ... 14403fc1e0

It's all about the money... and the lack of competitiveness because of it. College Basketball could go the same direction. I certainly hope not.

Interesting article from last year where they bemoan the lack of competitiveness in the in the NBA as the LA teams and Brooklyn were overwhelming favorites to win an NBA title with super-team rosters to set up short-term dominance while also comparing this to the hypercompetitive 1990s NBA when everyone had a chance to win.

[LJay]

Couple of replies about the "economics" and "market value" of players, and not a single reply on the ethical values of paying coaches 50x median income in a supposedly amateur sport. Do Creighton professors even make 2x median income?

As a reminder, ethics is the subject dealing with moral duty, obligation, and what is just and fair. I did not think that would need to be said on a Creighton board, but I have not kept up with core curriculum over the years.

I’m sure you feel it is unethical for Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Jeff Bezos, the attorneys and doctors on this site and all successful people to make the money they do while others struggle. We get it. You don’t like capitalism and would prefer a different system.

[Ethanfor3]

Couple of replies about the "economics" and "market value" of players, and not a single reply on the ethical values of paying coaches 50x median income in a supposedly amateur sport. Do Creighton professors even make 2x median income?

As a reminder, ethics is the subject dealing with moral duty, obligation, and what is just and fair. I did not think that would need to be said on a Creighton board, but I have not kept up with core curriculum over the years.

I'll bite...


A good coach enhances the brand of the university in general, not just the specific program they're coaching. So you can't view their salary in a narrow band, but in the context of the value they generate by their work. Every time Creighton plays on TV it's publicity for the university that drives enrollment, donations, etc. A good coach is a multiplier, worth way more than what appears like an inflated salary, and bad coaches are vastly overpaid, but everyone needs one.

Probably the best case study for this is Nick Saban and his impact on Alabama and the academic side of the university. The amount of money that the football program has funneled to the University has allowed Alabama to aggressively pursue a better student population which has expanded the profile of their university.

https://abc3340.com/news/local/saban-impact-10-year-tuscaloosa-transformation

You can make a similar case for a star athlete and no-one is saying that they shouldn't get paid. The question is how do you pay them and what are the downstream impacts to all of the current economic models that exist when you do. Not just to the Universities, but to the players and the game.

What do you think would happen to Creighton's ticket revenue / fan interest if we just don't have enough big money donors to keep the team intact for next year? Arizona grabs Art, Miami grabs Trey, Michigan grabs R2 and UCLA grabs Big Ryan because they have some billionaires that are interested in basketball while Creighton has people with money, but maybe aren't really that committed to cut a check for $0.5mm +.

As a person without that kind of money, I'm hoping somebody else does OR that our fantastic core of players sees a path to get both...some money today, exposure, good coaching, an education to fall back on and an NBA path rather than a lot of money today.

It's the wild, wild west right now which can ultimately lead to a decline in the interest of normal fans as a result. There needs to be some structure to this and the current mayhem will cause people to come together and figure it out.

[gtmoBlue]

Any indication whether the Jays will take a try at AJ Green? (yes, Dad is at Moo U.)

[Angry Dan]

Couple of replies about the "economics" and "market value" of players, and not a single reply on the ethical values of paying coaches 50x median income in a supposedly amateur sport. Do Creighton professors even make 2x median income?

As a reminder, ethics is the subject dealing with moral duty, obligation, and what is just and fair. I did not think that would need to be said on a Creighton board, but I have not kept up with core curriculum over the years.

I'll bite...


A good coach enhances the brand of the university in general, not just the specific program they're coaching. So you can't view their salary in a narrow band, but in the context of the value they generate by their work. Every time Creighton plays on TV it's publicity for the university that drives enrollment, donations, etc. A good coach is a multiplier, worth way more than what appears like an inflated salary, and bad coaches are vastly overpaid, but everyone needs one.

Probably the best case study for this is Nick Saban and his impact on Alabama and the academic side of the university. The amount of money that the football program has funneled to the University has allowed Alabama to aggressively pursue a better student population which has expanded the profile of their university.

https://abc3340.com/news/local/saban-impact-10-year-tuscaloosa-transformation.

Basketball coach John Thompson did more for Georgetown University than anyone else associated with Georgetown. The high paid successful coaches are not overpaid by universities. The value a successful coach brings to a university is HUGE

[Jays26]

Any indication whether the Jays will take a try at AJ Green? (yes, Dad is at Moo U.)

Why do you ask questions that you already know the answers too?

[Venturajay]

Unlike the pros where everybody gets paid, albeit different amounts, it will be interesting to see how a team such as Miami plays together as a team when one or two players have massive NIL deals and the other guys are still eating in the commons. As someone said earlier, we are in the wild wild west of NIL since it is so new.

[Django]

Big East now allowing Inter-conference transfers… Georgetown 7’0 Senior Center Timothy Ighoefe would be a great get. He’s gonna want more PT tho

[Django]

Couple of replies about the "economics" and "market value" of players, and not a single reply on the ethical values of paying coaches 50x median income in a supposedly amateur sport. Do Creighton professors even make 2x median income?

As a reminder, ethics is the subject dealing with moral duty, obligation, and what is just and fair. I did not think that would need to be said on a Creighton board, but I have not kept up with core curriculum over the years.

I’m sure you feel it is unethical for Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Jeff Bezos, the attorneys and doctors on this site and all successful people to make the money they do while others struggle. We get it. You don’t like capitalism and would prefer a different system.

You’re the one who wants to keep athletes unpaid and unable to profit… the former NCAA rules and profit structure are a perfect portrait of the USSR.

You want to be a KGB agent. We get it Vlad.