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Re: 2019 Class

Postby REALITY » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:37 pm

bluejayb13 wrote:
REALITY wrote:
Chicagojayfan wrote:
Remember a lot of people who thought our 2015 class was a bust -- it didn't have stars like that 2014 class (Harrell top 100 and Gilmore who was all BE athletic or something). Instead it had a last minute foreign guy who wasn't on anyone's list, AND two Omaha kids.. wow, ,what a failure by Mac

Did people really consider that class a bust? Maybe they considered it a disappointment since we missed on who we thought were our top targets like Clarke and McQuaid. But it didn't take very long to figure out that we had a potential hidden gem in Patton and a potential top flight defender in Thomas. And then we got Foster in the transfer market in the spring.


To be fair Patton was not under the radar at this point in his senior year. He was a consensus top 100 recruit. Taz was still rated higher than Grill & Windham are currently, and Marcus Foster had already committed. I think its warranted to be somewhat worried.

Foster committed in spring 2015, so he did commit after Tazz, Martin, and Justin who all committed in the fall of 2014.
But he wa's still part of that class since they all entered in the Fall of 2015.
To be fair to Grill and Windham, I don't think they've really been thoroughly evaluated largely because they committed to low major schools. I'd bet their ratings would go up upon actual evaluation. Probably not into the top 150 but perhaps they'd bump up to 4 stars on some indices (not that ratings really matter, though)
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Re: 2019 Class

Postby omajay » Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:24 pm

From the OWH website. Wyoming has offered Javier Turner of Omaha Northwest. He says Creighton, Providence, Virginia Tech, LSU, Towson, and D2 schools have also shown interest of late. 6'11" 230 pounds. Averaged 10 ppg and 6.5 rpg.
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Re: 2019 Class

Postby JacobPadilla » Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:00 pm

omajay wrote:From the OWH website. Wyoming has offered Javier Turner of Omaha Northwest. He says Creighton, Providence, Virginia Tech, LSU, Towson, and D2 schools have also shown interest of late. 6'11" 230 pounds. Averaged 10 ppg and 6.5 rpg.


Creighton had him work out with their guys. Just doing due diligence. He's not a Big East player.
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Re: 2019 Class

Postby AttyAlum » Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:07 pm

I used to get all wrapped up in rankings, etc.

I've learned after some flame outs of higher ranked players and unranked or lower ranked players blowing up, that rankings are severely overrated.
"But I truly care about Creighton and the fans and what they've done for me the last three years. I want to give them one more year and take care of business in the Big East so we can prove people wrong.'' ---- Doug McDermott
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Re: 2019 Class

Postby gtmoBlue » Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:48 pm

JacobPadilla wrote:
omajay wrote:From the OWH website. Wyoming has offered Javier Turner of Omaha Northwest. He says Creighton, Providence, Virginia Tech, LSU, Towson, and D2 schools have also shown interest of late. 6'11" 230 pounds. Averaged 10 ppg and 6.5 rpg.


Creighton had him work out with their guys. Just doing due diligence. He's not a Big East player.


It's a shame he doesn't have at least Artino/Groselle upside. Can't teach 6'11".
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Re: 2019 Class

Postby bluejayb13 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:54 pm

AttyAlum wrote:I used to get all wrapped up in rankings, etc.

I've learned after some flame outs of higher ranked players and unranked or lower ranked players blowing up, that rankings are severely overrated.


Of course that happens, but if you are consistently bringing in highly ranked recruiting classes, you're generally going to have more success. I'd rather follow the rule than bank on being the exception.
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Re: 2019 Class

Postby vivid_dude » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:46 pm

bluejayb13 wrote:
AttyAlum wrote:I used to get all wrapped up in rankings, etc.

I've learned after some flame outs of higher ranked players and unranked or lower ranked players blowing up, that rankings are severely overrated.


Of course that happens, but if you are consistently bringing in highly ranked recruiting classes, you're generally going to have more success. I'd rather follow the rule than bank on being the exception.


+1

This seems very obvious, but it looks like someone prompted you to need to say it. Count me in that weird grouping of fans that would prefer Creighton target 4- and 5-star recruits rather than 2-star recruits.
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Re: 2019 Class

Postby gtmoBlue » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:36 am

Recruit rankings are imperfect systems to judge future performance, based on past history. I read an assessment 2-3 years back that gave support to basketball recruit ratings...paraphrasing: recruits rise to their perceived level in college hoops. Was Rush the court or another independent site.

This is a never ending argument. Often sited are discrepancies in the rankings systems...with sample sizes and criteria inconsistencies most often mentioned as offending issues. Rankings aren't perfect, but they offer the best tool currently available.

Search: chris hummer, do recruiting rankings matter? Do recruiting rankings matter?

Example results: https://247sports.com/Article/College-f ... 128646121/

https://outsidethesidelines.blogspot.co ... er_03.html

Agree with Vivid as I'd just as soon default to multiple 4-5 star recruits and take my chances.
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Re: 2019 Class

Postby gtmoBlue » Fri May 03, 2019 10:26 am

It is likely that Sean Miller will be out at Arizona. Their 2019 recruits may decommit and Zeke Nnaji may re-enter the market. Could be an opportunity for the Jays.
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Re: 2019 Class

Postby bluejayfan00 » Fri May 03, 2019 10:30 am

gtmoBlue wrote:It is likely that Sean Miller will be out at Arizona. Their 2019 recruits may decommit and Zeke Nnaji may re-enter the market. Could be an opportunity for the Jays.

Arizona, Kentucky, Kansas and UNC were who was on him the hardest before he committed. Not sure why you think we would have a chance there. We offered, but that's all I've seen.
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